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    Quote Originally Posted by Slappy View Post
    Don't be ridiculous.
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    Then what is it? I just don't get the logic behind a hard left option being more palatable in those Tory labour marginals that will be the difference between opposition and an outright majority.
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    So with Ed getting 31% of the votes to Daves 36% there's 33% of voters out there who voted for other parties. It wasn't a landslide.

    Then there's voters that were unsure about what was Labours message that they voted for the status quo, the safe option. I know a nurse that's a single mother of two that voted for Conservatives and then two weeks ago was asking people to sign a save the NHS petition. Will she vote for cutmaster Gideon?
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    She did it three months ago.
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    And lives to regret it.
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    Again, look at the electoral arithmetic. Tell me where the corbyn led hard left labour party gets its seats to form an overall majority.

    I can see them nicking votes from the greens. They may then lose some from the centre to the lib dems. Some of the ukip working class may come back, but I can't see them loving all of corbynmania.
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    http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...P=share_btn_tw

    The Grauniad agrees. I feel dirty.
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    The Mirror said the same thing but leans towards Burnham.
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    Leans? That escalated quickly.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...labour-6248770
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    See, all the big players are now stating that you've had your fun and it's time to take things a little bit seriously now.
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    78% of Mirror readers will vote for Jez though.


    Check Robert Webbs twitter :joker:
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    The Parliamentary Party should never have got him on the ballot in the first place.
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    I'm going to continue the fight against the establishment. Can't wait for the post!
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    I hope he gets in, it'll be so entertaining.
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    Then get on board! Be part of a true opposition, not red Tories.
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    I'll look forward to PMQ's where Jez will ramble on about "kids today" then finally get round to asking Dave if he can sort his wifi out.
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    It's going to be a little different when you don't have compulsory voting, but there's a % of swinging voters that decide elections. There are hardline voters who will vote Tory/Labour regardless of absolutely anything.

    It's the party that can sell a message that attracts the swingers, and those who would otherwise sit at home on election day. Slappy's example just shows the large % of people who will vote against their own interests when the resonate with the message campaigned on, and then are shocked when the realise what they actually voted for.
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    Mildly patronising?

    But seriously though, no way would swinging voters go for a left or right party. They nearly always go for the party closest to the middle.

    Under Blair, that party was Labour. Under Red Ed (and subsequently Comrade Corbyn) it wasn't.

    Austerity is by no means over but to say its vastly affected the majority of people is bollocks. I've had below inflation pay raises for 5 years now and I don't feel it.

    I'm not saying that's how its going to play this parliament but so far its only really affected the people who frankly, deserve it.
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    Compulsory voting would be a hoot over here. The British mentality would basically ensure that several mentalist/joke parties would get seats.
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    "Austerity" in Britain is massively overplayed. Certain budgets are ringfenced (aid, health) and much of the benefit cuts fall under social engineering rather than getting the deficit down.

    The main reason I send people to food banks is through shitty admin or the DWP ignoring their own rules.
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    Without being in the country I'd wager a bet that for many people their reason for voting would be 'the economy' or some other single issue rather than left/right issues. They vote for a party that they think will deliver x result without really thinking about all the other issues that they may (or not) campaign on and seek to implement.

    Austerity effects different people in different ways, but it's undeniably those who require the most support who feel it the most. It'll probably get there eventually too. Do you guys expect the NHS to be around in 5 or 10 years?

    We've had a healthy does of that here. There's been no actual structural change to our budget, simply shifting money and ideological cuts.

    I favour compulsory voting although it does have it's problems for sure. I think those problems are better than having to appeal on the issues that get people out to vote. Look at the US for the extreme example, the Republican candidates pretty much have to out extreme each other to appeal to the nuts in their parties who actually vote and the expense of alienating the rest of the country.
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